Should we be kinder, and more mercy full than God Himself ?
I mean should we forgive more readily those who trespass against us, than Yahweh does forgive us when we trespass against Him ?
In the « Lord’s » prayer, Yahshua/Jesus says:
RNKJV Matthew 6:9-13
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amein.
We should ask our Father to forgive us. (In our prayers).
We should forgive our debtors in the same equal manner as our Father forgives us.
Since when we pray, we should ask our Father to forgive us, as we do in verse 12, likewise, our debtors should ask for our forgiveness, if we are to forgive them.
Sounds fair ?
We are light years away from the widely common understanding of this passage of the Scriptures, held by the majority of « wimp » Christians that would make it mandatory for us to forgive all our enemies, unconditionally regardless of the fact that they ask us for forgiveness, or not.
If people sincerely ask us to forgive them, (and repent of their admitted wrong doing), we are to forgive them, and likewise, if we ask our Father in Heaven to forgive us (and repent of our sin), He is faithful to His promise and will forgive us.
Yahweh Himself is requiring that we ask for pardon.
If we should forgive people who don’t even ask us for it, wouldn’t that make us « nicer » than God ?
Is the mercy of God too conditional, and not good enough ?
No, we shouldn’t outforgive Yaweh. This (I call it cheap) forgiveness is rewarding evil. And I believe it is because people don’t really believe in Yaweh anymore but just pay lipservice to him and don’t believe that evil (satan) is real that they are doing this. There is even a CI preacher that preaches that satan don’t exist. Well if people believe no deed is bad or good. When murder is to them the same as saving a life .. when in other words people have become neutrals and lost their savor you find this cheap forgiveness. They don’t really forgive, they just don’t care about the victims of evildoers. And when it’s themselves who are the victim they use the opportunity to spread their utter neutrality in the face of evil. That can only happen if they themselves have also become evil. I see it in South-Africa all the time.. people whose old mom was savagely raped and hurt who then publicly profess to « forgive » the killer, even though the killer never expressed remorsed but smile broadly over his deeds and you can just look at him and KNOW if he can he will do it again. So what are these people doing? They are sanctioning the criminals deeds, they are saying to the victim that criminals are more important than Yaweh.
Thank you for going even further in this direction, Rita. Most « churchianists » worship the « church » they go to, and it’s doctrine against sound judgement more than Yahweh Himself. They love religion more than God. They go beyond what the scriptures are proclaiming, they want to be better than the other churches. Pretend to forgive is the easy way out for cowards afraid to avenge the evil done to their loved ones, after they were too « pacifists » to protect them, and prevent the evil from being committed. Men should fend for their wives, children, brothers, and sisters.
The Apostle Paul seemed to have this sobject in mind when he wrote » If it be possible,
as much as lieth within you , live peaceably with all men » ( Romans 12:18 ) And our Lord used the seven times seventy principle in Matthew 12:22 concerning forgiving a brother . Again in Matt. 6:14 » For if ye forgive men their tresspasses , your heavenly Father will also forgive you. » Simply put ; you can’t out forgive God , period ! We are supposed to firgive just as our Father in heaven forgives us. Is it hard sometimes ? Of course , but if we truly want to obey our Father , we can usually find a way to forgive if we search our hearts and realise the forgiveness that we have recieved . As Paul said in Eph.4:32 » and be ye kind one to another , tenderhearted, forgiving one another , even as God for Christ sake hath forgiven you. » And finally , » even as Christ forgave you , so also do ye . » Col.3:13
Yes Don, « if it be possible » is hardly an imperative sine qua non injunction to forgive, merely a vague suggestion. Also « the one another » seems to imply « members of one group », one tribe, one family, one race. If it was that big a deal to forgive everybody all the time, Yahweh would probably have added this to the commandments. It is definitely a family affair, We should ask our Father, we should not deny forgiveness to a brother who ask for it while sincerely repenting, and making up for all damages.
Cheap third party forgiveness is almost as bad as committing the sin itself. We all suffer from the cheap third party forgiveness. People who refuse to hate the wicked are wicked themselves. Like when ‘liberals’ excuse the blacks for what they have done to our countries. To forgive un repented sin is to participate in that sin. It is third party forgiveness that is turning our countries into hell holes.
I have the right to forgive someone who trespasses against me. You can forgive those who trespass against you. But you have no right to forgive them that trespass against me nor can I forgive them that harm you. To do so is to share in the guilt. Them who forgive the wicked have much blood on their hands.
None of us have to forgive a damn thing that the offender has not repented of. The jews and their dark servants have not repented of any thing, they glory in their evil. May our King and Savior reward them for their deeds.
Repentance is more than saying « Ize sorry » when caught. If I damage your property I must repair or pay for that damage. Our enemies have done more damage than they can ever recompense, even were they to spend eternity enthralled. Their sins are deeper than we can ever realize. Every nig on Earth in chains being whipped for a thousand years cannot recompense for a single act of seduction or rape (genetic defilement) of one of our women. Not one person on Earth has any business forgiving any black beast after what they have done. How ever every black beast gives every other black beast a free pass to sin against White Man any and every way they can.
To not condemn sin is sin by omission.
Right on Brother.
Same goes for corrupted politicians, and all race traitors aiding the children of the devil and their somber pawns in destroying our morale, and civilization.
Even non Christians, atheists, pagans and agnostics and Buddhists, tell us to live up to Matthew 6:12.
Like satan was quoting Scriptures to Jesus in the desert.
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Hello I am very new to the Christian Identity teachings.
I find it absolutely fascinating; I have been looking into it for nearly two weeks straight, all day every day.
I am praying asking for the Father to lead me into all truth, and that I will not be deceived in to adhering to a doctrine that is not of His way.
So far CI has answered a lot of questions and makes a lot of sense, BUT what about that following verse?
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
In Yehoshua, Rogue.
Hi Rogue.
Welcome.
Yes, consciousness of one’s own real origins, and thus identity shines a different light on the Scriptures, and gives a different perspective on the History of our ancestors.
It clears up a lot of « mysteries » and the whole thing makes more sense.
As for Matthew 5:44 The beatitudes are difficult to understand if taken literally.
Obviously Yahshua / Jesus was giving the people around Him a glimpse of what the ideal situation should be, if we could be perfect, just as God is perfect.
This is what our mind should focus on, the ultimate (unreacheable) goal.
5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We should aim to be perfect, but only God is.
Jesus said we should love peace over war, love over feud, pardon over revenge, etc…
Anyway, Identity does not make this sermon more clear, or more clouded.